On today’s episode, Steven, Neil and Scott discussing one of the most anticipated movies of the year: Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan’s newest project. Spoilers are ahead so have been warned. We talked about our experience in the movie theater and our favorite moments. We give our rankings of Nolan’s movies and talk where Oppenheimer stands in his filmography.
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On today’s episode, Steven, Neil and Scott discussing one of the most anticipated movies of the year: Oppenheimer, Christopher Nolan’s newest project. Spoilers are ahead so have been warned. We talked about our experience in the movie theater and our favorite moments. We give our rankings of Nolan’s movies and talk where Oppenheimer stands in his filmography.
If you enjoyed this episode, please consider subscribing wherever you listen to your podcasts! Leave a rating or review as well so we can get some feedback. Thanks for listening!
Hey guys, welcome to another episode of stuck in the Phantom Zone. I'm your host, steven. I got my homies with me, I got Neil and I got my brother with me, scott. Scott is back on the pod in a long time.
Speaker 1:You know, he's ready to spit that hot fire with his takes that we're probably gonna clip and his opinions on Opie. But yeah, today we're gonna talk about Oppenheimer, we're gonna talk just the whole movie movie weekend, bob Barbie, hymer, you know as they're calling it. So, yeah, we're gonna dive into that. Dive into Oppenheimer, give give our thoughts and all that. So, if you have any spoilers ahead, if you haven't watched Oppenheimer, go watch Oppenheimer, but give yourself a couple hours. You may need to watch it in the morning because I don't know if you can survive three hours of Oppenheimer at night, but don't watch seven watch it way before seven.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you might have a cut off. You might want to do a cut off date, maybe like seven, eight o'clock, because you'll be there for a while. So, yeah, we're gonna talk about that, and you know, and also the whole weekend and all that. So, before we begin, neil, how are you doing man? How's it going?
Speaker 2:Feeling good. Just been burning up filming outside for worth the last week. Oh then that just been trying to enjoy the AC this weekend, even though it was at the beach yesterday. It's been very chill though, Been very chill, Very chill day, which is good. So catching up on some chores, a little bit of reading, you know, not too bad. Nice, nice man.
Speaker 1:Dude, I don't know man, this Florida this every time I get an advisory saying heat index over 110, I'm just like what's going on, like why We've gotten like four straight days and just like, all right guys, you gotta be careful on there.
Speaker 2:Record heat day yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's something that y'all need to tell us something about. These hot days, Like you know, there's gotta be something abnormal about having three straight heat advisory guys. You just can feel like 115. I was like last time I checked, like y'all, this is not normal, but you know that's how it is. But yeah, Scott, how are you doing? Man, it's been a while. Tell us how you're doing, I'm back.
Speaker 2:My back what I've been doing. I just been been moving and I've been also playing Zelda.
Speaker 1:The new Zelda.
Speaker 2:That is like like that's, all I do is like eat, work, zelda, Zelda, sleep, sleep and Zelda just more.
Speaker 1:Do we have to do? Are we? Are we playing on doing Zelda, the greatest game of all time?
Speaker 2:Oh, it's a game, is it? I don't know, it's hard. It's hard Like it is really it's is a game of the year, though. Um, dude, I don't know, this year has been really good. Like I am, like I'm itching to like finish Zelda, so like I can hop on like Street Fighter six and all these other, like the new Resident Evil four remake, and I'm just like man, this is the. This has been amazing year for you know all that stuff.
Speaker 2:I'm like five years behind because I just started playing like Arceus, Legend Arceus like like, I think, last man when I started actually playing it, yeah, and I, I, I like I stopped on like Scarlet and Violet, and now there's like new DLC that's going to be out.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's right.
Speaker 2:So it's like, okay, I have to finish this. Yeah, so many games.
Speaker 1:That's great to hear, man, Great to hear the video game industry going strong, man, because you know I'm looking forward to my annual Madden and the same. Me shitting on the graphics and the and the glitches. So that's, that's my, that's my video game in 2023. It'd be like just mad and that's it. And me just like complaining. I'm like damn what I spend. I don't know how much games are now. Is it still $59, $65, $69, $99.
Speaker 2:Oh no, why yeah, yeah. It's pretty bad. Well, I mean like. And then all over my feet, I was like Madden ratings, Madden player ratings, and just like people are like sharing like Madden ratings of, like they're like favorite players, and I'm just like, oh, that's cool, it's going to change. You know that.
Speaker 1:Yeah yeah, updates happen. It's just a conversational thing, it's just something to get like pissed about. Like why is Trevor Lawrence 83, or something like that? I'm just like bro, by December he's going to be 95. So don't even, I'm not even tripping, but you know but, damn video games are getting so a regular version of the game is now $70. That's crazy, that is hell. You pay 69 and you get the ultimate edition. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's right yeah.
Speaker 1:Now you're getting the standard with the. You know, with the updates and all that, I don't know, man, that's a whole. Nother pod bro, but glad to see the video games. You know we got to do a pod bro, we got to do a video game. Video game pod. You get your rankings. I know they change every game that comes out, so true, what's the next game. No game of all time. Yeah, still Zelda.
Speaker 2:Still Zelda, still Zelda. Okay, that's good.
Speaker 1:All right. Well, we're going to talk about Oppenheimer, and again, spoilers ahead, so please watch the movie for you, for you, listen to it, always, come back, you know, download and then come back and listen after you watched it. Before we do that, though, do I just talk about the weekend? This is kind of one of the most hyped weekends in movies in a very long time. Just having two movies, two, two like unlikely movies, right?
Speaker 1:Like you would think it'd be like a Marvel movie and then something else, right, but it's Barbie and Oppenheimer. I'm just from the film and a tell film directed by Greta Gerwig, who is a very good direct, very great director. So so I guess we all watched Oppenheimer in that weekend. You know pretty much within the the fever that is bar Barbie, hymer. I'll start with you, neil, like, what was your experience like, even before the watching the movie, when you got in? Was it packed? Like, tell me, tell me your experience on, you know, before watching Oppenheimer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so this was probably one of the highest movies of the years or of the year that I was looking forward to, just because of just the nature of how Christopher Nolan shoots his films, his direction, his storytelling, the way he uses his actors and the amount of people that are actually in this movie like still mind boggles me. But I was looking forward to it just from the teaser trailer to the whatever the last trailer was. I remember I forgot when we was watching I think it was Transformers Rise of the Beast when they showed, because I watched Rise of the Beast in IMAX. So I saw the Oppenheimer trailer in IMAX and that, even watching the trailer, I already saw it on like YouTube and like Twitter and stuff but I still got chills just like seeing it and then hearing the countdown like of, like the nuke about to go off. I was just like man, I'm getting like goosebumps. This is like ooh.
Speaker 2:And when I was in the movie I know we're going to get into a little bit later about how you know we thought of it but when I watched the movie there was a lot of, there was a lot of people like it wasn't super packed because I saw it kind of early in the day, but it was enough where it felt like I was in the old times when movie theaters were super packed. I was lucky enough I didn't get. Luckily my road, for whatever reason, was kind of like sprinkled, but everywhere else I saw because it seemed pretty packed. And I saw an IMAX and there's one person literally not super fun road, but maybe like six rows and they're staring up and like man, how'd you afford that, sir? Oh my gosh. But it was. It was definitely an experience. It was definitely gave me chills, definitely kept me. It's a long movie but it still kept me like my eyes are super glued into everything that was happening and it was just an inexperience.
Speaker 2:And when I left the movie theater I just felt like gut punched. I was like fuck. And I knew, coming in, like I had a feeling like here's what I'm gonna say. The movie's gonna leave you feeling this way. This is what I'm aiming for, this is my intention. It was like cool. So I came to the theater with that mindset and even then, like I saw screen testings, people coming out feeling you know that way. So I'm like cool, I'm like dude, this is direction. Screen testings were, you know, accurate. They said they felt that way, so I'm expecting it and I felt that and then some, because it was like fuck, and it was so much the process too, I was just like damn, what an experience. I was just like whoa. But yeah, like I know we'll get into a little bit what we thought of it, but that's just like my overall experience watching it and I felt like I actually felt shaken to my core. I got in my car. I'm just like. I'm like looking up, I'm like all right we're gonna get home.
Speaker 2:It's cool About to get some dinners there, right, it's cool. Yeah, probably place some Pokemon to like digest. You know, palate cleanse myself, but yeah, that's how I felt.
Speaker 1:That's cool man. So, scott, did you have the same type of feeling like overall experience of the movie?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think the movie left me just like, just like damn rich food.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Or it just gave me that feeling of like we've just done it to ourselves and this is like it was just kind of watching the start of the end, yeah, and it's just like, oh man, like we, like we all know where this heads to next, right, and it's kind of like doing that whole like, and it's it's like making every out, or like it's a movie of like, hey, this is how, like, the beginning of the end of the human race is about to start, and it's just like, oh man, yeah, I'm sad, but amazing movie really good. Yeah, I love sad things, yeah.
Speaker 1:I think that was. I think that was my kind of initial experience of it. It was. You know, I'm a big fan of history, I love these historical movies and to kind of get Christopher Nolan's kind of filmmaking, you know that was a big issue to me. Hey, come on. Yeah, um, okay, here we go, here we go. This is it, there we go, there we go.
Speaker 1:Oh man, okay, it's time for the Band Q on something that is like one of the seminal moments in just science, history and just, you know, especially, I mean we were in World War II. I mean this was the turning point of the war and just kind of feeling that sense of like you know, I think he did a great job of doing the. You know every moment counts. You know, he really portrayed that really well, just how much time they like, how much, not a lot. They didn't have a lot of time to do this because you know the World War II is happening. So, yeah, I mean, overall my experience was it was really good, like I was leaving the theater. I was very much in the same camp of, yeah, I was like it was, I was in awe, I was shaking and also I was just thinking about the future.
Speaker 1:You know, I don't know how you come out of this movie and not like, think about, like, all right, these people freaking, you know, were in the most dire situation to create a weapon that could, you know, win the war, right, because that's all how it started. They just want to get their, the Americans, home and that's how they just had to do it, you know. And it was just at the, you know, at the beginning of this whole scientific revolution, where it's like, you know, you have Einstein stuff and you know them just building on it and it, creating this, you know, creating the bomb. It was, it was really.
Speaker 1:It was riveting. I enjoyed every moment of it. And it was just kind of weird coming out of theater because you know Barbie's happening at the same time. So you're coming out like a very like zombie. You're like, oh my God, what was that? And then you have people dressed in pink, just like, taking photos of Barbie, and you're like they're having the best time of my life, best time of their lives, and I'm like, look, I'm like bro, is AI the new atom bomb or something?
Speaker 2:I'm like it doesn't matter anymore, yeah.
Speaker 1:I was thinking the same thing.
Speaker 2:When I saw like I saw a group of like different groups of people dressed in pink and all that stuff and like ladies in dresses and peeking stuff and they're like woo, selfie, tiktok, and in my head I'm like it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, we destroy ourselves. It doesn't matter God Like yeah. Oh man.
Speaker 1:It was like two different vibes, right, two different worlds, like the real world and like Barbie world. And I was like Barbie world sounds cool, but this is more realistic. This is more realistic and you know it was man. Like Oppenheimer is one of those movies where you really have to put yourself in the mindset of, you know, understanding the times, right, because if you're not big into history and all that, just understand, just putting your mind into the like function of like this is the probably like one of the like top creations in the world. That kind of like shapes how we operate now, you know, just with foreign affairs.
Speaker 1:And you know, every time you hear a nuke, people just start to like freak out. You know, and this is kind of like the genesis of it, and just you know the frame of mind now that it started here, like this was point A of where we're at, where we're started and now we're at now. So, yeah, like it was. You know it was a crazy experience. We'll talk more in depth in a moment. But yeah, I just you know it was kind of. The weekend was insane, like so many people in the theater. Like you know, I went to Tinseltown that's the closest theater near me and I've never seen a movie theater packed Like that almost was like end game level, like when Avengers Endgame came out you could not find a parking spot.
Speaker 2:You had the parking spot. Yeah, back back.
Speaker 1:This kind of felt the same way, and it's just because it's two waves colliding. You have, you know, oppenheimer and Barbie and it's just, you know, props are the people bro. Like they showed out, like, whether you're in the Oppenheimer camp or the Barbie camp, you all showed out because these two movies are just blowing the competition right now in regards to, like you know, box office and stuff, end game records, you know 2023 records, you know left and right, and this movie's only been out what, like a week and a half, yeah, almost two weeks. Yeah, so it was. It was a really cool experience at the theater. I've never seen that made people like we went Saturday night, so I mean, I had an expectation it would be, but it was just great to see it. Like you know, the theater's packed. I couldn't find a seat at all. Like Barbie was legit. Like you couldn't find a seat in Barbie. Like you literally had the. You really had to be a single person, like I'm, like I just want to watch it.
Speaker 1:You can bring along friends because it's just so spread out, um, and it was like that going into the fall. Like you know, the Monday, tuesday, wednesday, you know I was looking at Barbie stuff. I wanted to watch the movie. I couldn't find a ticket either. I was just like it was insane. And Oppenheimer was the same way too. Like over the weekend you can not find a seat for Oppenheimer. Um, luckily we found some, like you know, some good enough seats. I mean, they were every.
Speaker 1:You know, when you're in the theater everyone has a kind of different view point, but but it's still the same thing. But we got some seats for, you know, for eight o'clock showing and, and yeah, it was, it was, it was cool, man, like you know, just leaving the theater, a lot of people conversating and just like it just kind of felt like like you know, those old Friday nights when you were like in high school and you just watched like a big movie and everyone just kind of just every like different groups of people talking about you know what they experienced and stuff like that, whether it be Barbie or Oppenheimer, it was just, it was just a cool vibe to be around in the movies. You know, as much as I love my Tuesday $6, 11 am. You know. You leave the theater and you're like damn, I get my parking spot right up front. There's something about a Saturday night, eight o'clock, two of the hottest movies of the year, and you're pretty much in the epicenter of like what's going on in in movies right now.
Speaker 1:And it was. It was just kind of cool. It was really cool. I don't know if we're going to get that. I don't think there's. I'm not we're. I don't think we're going to experience that for the rest of the year. I think that's. I don't think so either.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean with the movies late, it's just, you know it's kind of like yeah, and maybe we might start seeing movies like that, for maybe, maybe movies like you know, I don't know if a Marvel movie and the DC movie could do it, like I don't think that's even remotely possible, but to see two other films like I would, you know, I hope a movie studio is going to make it like a they take this day right this whole weekend. That just came, that went through and look at it and be like, hey, people are excited to go to the movies. If they have two movies that are, you know, highly, you know, very anticipated and put them out on the same weekend and see what happens. You know, and we see, what we had there last weekend was it was pandemonium.
Speaker 1:I've never seen so much pink in my life. Like, I was like Dan, this is a lot of pink people. People who usually wouldn't wear pink are wearing pink. Yeah, it was like a party bro. I was like man, there's some, there's some people. I'm like, damn, you wearing pink, man, I just for Barbie, good for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I said yeah, in my theater there's a group of people that saw Barbie before and I was like, oh, this is not the move, Like you should have saw Barbie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:And they do that feature yeah.
Speaker 1:Watch Oppenheimer first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and end yourself with Barbie. I mean, we'll just like end, end your double feature with Barbie. Do not Start with Barbie and end with Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1:I don't even know. You should watch it back to back, I feel like you should watch it one day one day Oppenheimer, the next day Barbie you're going to think about it. You're going to think about both movies.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there was a lot of people that did that, which is crazy. Like I remember back in the day, I think something we would have done, but oh yeah, looking at it now, I was just like man. There's a lot of people that did that this weekend.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, man Dude, I remember like back in the day, like when we were kids, like our dads were like Like, hey, we watched the movie and then like, oh, you want to watch another movie.
Speaker 2:We sneak into the other movie.
Speaker 1:It's just like I'm like man we were. Yeah, we were up on those double features, man there was legally and illegally.
Speaker 2:There was a figure out who it was. I think I forgot what it was there is. I remember I forced my dad to take me to watch the Grinch movie.
Speaker 1:What In the theaters?
Speaker 2:and I forgot what move is. I can't remember, but there was some other like action movie that we he liked. When you watch for free You're like I won't watch this, but let me see the comments for this movie we snuck into watch that.
Speaker 1:Oh man, oh man.
Speaker 2:No, I'm sitting.
Speaker 1:Oops, all right, so we'll let's jump into our favorite moments of the movie. So, scott, just you know, tell me something about the movie that you, that you, enjoy. I know there's probably one scene we should kind of we could talk about. If you bring it up, we'll just dive right into it. But tell me some of your favorite moments.
Speaker 2:I mean my like, my favorite moments were always were were after the bomb, after the bomb happened, and just like like Oppenheimer, just like, just doing, like oh no, what have I done?
Speaker 1:Like I tried to like unleash this weapon.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my favorite scene was was the last scene, like him and him and Albert Einstein and Albert Einstein's like. He's basically like you've like doomed us all, you've like you've used science for like war, war, and and here's Albert Einstein who is like who is equal or even better, and it's just like you've doomed us, you've doomed us all, and it's just like that. Like that hit. I was just like damn. Like even even Albert Einstein, like the smartest dude on the planet at that time, was like you shouldn't have done this, man. It's like I feel bad. I liked how he asked that question too is like did you do Miss all, or whatever, and like op-hyper was like I said like ask that question, he really knew the answer. He just wanted to see what what opera would say. And he's like I believe I have. And then, yeah, that hit pretty hard yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel that conversation was, you know, I feel it was well realized because here is Albert Einstein, who created the starting point for that.
Speaker 1:Right, like he kind of created the formula with all that stuff. I'm not a scientist, I don't really know those terms up top of my head, but he kind of started it and he's scientists kind of built upon that. So it was almost like how I read. It was almost like Einstein passing the baton to him. He was like hey, you, I created something that I didn't know would be this. So that is like I feel like what Oppenheimer created and bringing over this new type of scientific thinking to the United States. It kind of like is the 2.0 to what Albert Einstein was doing and it's that's how I, I, that's how I kind of felt about it, because it was just a conversation of the smart men who just try to like find their way in the world. Right, like these are two guys who have like we have no interest in war, we have no interest in, we want to just know how the world works and what we can do to improve it. Right, like a big thing was Prometheus, you know, he gave fire. He gave fire to man. Right, he's the one who gave fire to man. And then you know, so we're, we're thinking of Oppenheimer as this Prometheus like Einstein, oppenheimer as these Prometheus types to where, like they give you know what it clearly is the bomb, the bomb to to the world, you know, and now it creates the arms race that we'll see, you know, years later.
Speaker 1:So it was just, it was just cool to see that conversation realized, because you didn't need to know they didn't, they didn't need to like tell you straight up in words, right, like you kind of, if you know, if you know Einstein, you know Oppenheimer and their backgrounds and what they've, what they've kind of done, done for this community of the science, of community. They're like legends, they're, you know, some of the best ever for them to have that conversation and just be like you know the chain reaction. That's another thing that they, they're, you know it's it's just an ongoing domino effect that's going to, that's going to keep escalating. So so, yeah, that was, that was a really great scene for it to happen at the end, to kind of go back to it after we saw that in the beginning of the movie and to kind of get that conversation out the way, because that was just one of those things in the beginning of the movie.
Speaker 1:I was like, okay, what did they talk about, you know, and you only got the point of view of Robert Downey Jr's character and yeah, so, so, yeah, that was. That was definitely a top moment. Is there any other moments, scott, that you liked the movie?
Speaker 2:Um, let me see, I, I like, I mean, I I did like his like Oppenheimer's like American speech, like when they like learned that the bomb was used and and and they're like, yeah, america, yeah, and it was like it's like yeah, america, but then like it like loses sound, and then he like, he like saw the aftermath of the bomb in his head, yeah, yeah, and I was like dang well, like usually, or after I watched the movie, a lot of people were saying like should we have seen, like like the actual bombing of like Hiroshima?
Speaker 1:Yes, that's the one Like.
Speaker 2:would that have like, would that have like hit the point home and I think, like I think it would have. Like we all know, we all know what happened with the bombs and everything, and it's just like I like my favorite part of the movie is like him just kind of like feeling his weight on, like, oh my gosh, like I have made this, like the first movie, the first movie, the first time, when we was like, oh yeah, I'm gonna make this. I'm a theorist, let's go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe, maybe, yeah, it's just like, but then, like after he's made it and after it's been used, he's like oh, shoot, like yeah, what have I done? And it's just like, yeah, like it's just so good so.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean that that that scene also was one of those. You just look back and that's one of the top scenes in the movie as well. Just the way, the way Nolan uses sound throughout this whole movie, yes, is really good, like it's almost Oscar worthy. I don't. Is there a sound editing for Oscar? I guess.
Speaker 2:Sound editing, sound mixing.
Speaker 1:That should be. I mean, if that doesn't win it, like I don't, I don't know, but the way he effectively used sound specifically for that, that, that scene there, it was haunting. It was just that's, that's the word that just comes out. It was haunting because it was like you look at these people or just like, just happy, you know the pay, you know all the American flags are out and you see the bomb like his, you know it, just silence, and the bomb goes, like bomb goes off in his head. And then you see, like you know the faces, he starts oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm just like this is it's good.
Speaker 1:I know, yeah, yeah, and that's the thing, like it was very scary yeah, oh yeah. So I feel like that was his way of saying. Like this is I mean, you want to see Hiroshima, you want to see Nagasaki? How about if I flip it on you and actually show it through what Oppenheimer?
Speaker 2:thinks it's on his head, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and using American people as like the device to kind of show people just being annihilated, and it was super effective, like it was super effective, like in that conversation. You know that people are in line with the bomb, like I. Just I just feel like if you show the bomb, it's just like nothing will. Nothing will. Well, I'm trying to say, like the documentaries, all that stuff that actually takes real footage from that bomb, I don't think he would, I don't think it would be able to recreate it like seeing it, you know, through the, through these, all these doc, all these like different viewpoints through history, whether it be you know, because this thing's been covered forever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know. So it's like to kind of you know, to kind of see that maybe like it would bring home, but I don't know, I think the way he used it was a lot more effective, just because we know in our minds what it looks like. Right, like he's kind of using our minds to kind of signal like you know what it looks like. Let me show it to you in a different way, using sound to make it a lot more haunting and different than you would see in any documentary or any YouTube video that's talking about you know, this event and stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because I think though I think the reason why he went that direction because I kind of was feeling that way too where?
Speaker 2:Why are they going to show us, you know, in like, not necessarily the explosion of the bomb or how it's used, maybe of like it being dropped from like a you know Air Force, you know carrier or whatever from an airplane? But when I was thinking about, well, like this is, you know, this is a story about Oppenheimer. This is what's happening through his eyes, like we, like you were saying Steve, like we know what the bomb, you know, we know what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, we know what happened Like. So, to keep it inside his mind, I think really fleshes out more the story and the character of you know, oppenheimer himself. And that was a great scene too, for, like Killian Murphy, I'm like and like, yeah, the way it was edited, to, like the filmmaking and that it's just a great storytelling. To tell it in that aspect, like if you're someone that didn't get it and you watched it, I'm sorry, you're better at watching understanding movies, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, like yeah, it's true. I mean like I'm like also, you have to kind of like like watching that scene, you like just kind of made me uneasy of also living in America, and this is kind of like like that's what they like is war, and like being like, yeah, america, america wins, and it's just like, oh, like you know like even like it was just like a mirror for ourselves and just kind of like that's. What made it even scarier Was that like this is like real. You know, this is like it's actually now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like it happened back then, like that and the stuff that's happening similar today, mm, hmm, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, nio, did you have any other favorite moments of the movie?
Speaker 2:It's hard to really pick one, because I just love no one's stylistic choice of how he films, using film, using as very little CGS possible. And for people saying he probably did in some parts, I mean, maybe if there was like I don't think anyone was on a green screen, maybe he removed a cloud, that's this guy for special for visual effects. Everything was special effects, so even a little. You know when, when Oppenheimer is like explaining things in science and you see like little flashes of like electricity and sparks and stuff, I think they filmed that. That's, that's all their footage they filmed. I don't think that's stock footage, so that's that's really good special effects usage.
Speaker 2:I think my favorite moment or scene was the, the when they got the word that they were going to test the bomb that day or that night and all the factors that went into it and how they were shot in the buildup with the musical score and how the tense the scene was. I was just, like you know, sitting up like everyone and I feel like everyone was tense watching that scene because you're just trying to like whoa, like this is how it's going down, and I think that scene, at least with the scientists, like it was great to see all those actors you know kind of being shed a good light because you saw sprinkles of them throughout Josh Harnett's character. He was really good in the movie, by the way you saw I was like oh, should he back, he back.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but to see the other scientist actors, you know, like Jack Quaid, freaking, josh Pax, I'm sure, josh To see, like all the other like science, the actors who play the scientists and kind of working together as like this one unit now Even like the rival scientists and the people who were kind of against him. And then obviously you have the military guys like Matt Damon's, like Leslie Groves or whatever his name is I think that's his name Just to kind of see it all come together. And then the way the explosion went off. Obviously, if people know like about science, when you see an explosion you see it first, then the shockwave of the sound hits you. So to have the moment where he actually quotes Oppenheimer, where he said it's a quote that Oppenheimer himself quoted from, I think like some scripture or something, like I become the destroyer of worlds, like I become death, and then you hear the explosion. I thought that's just a really great tense scene.
Speaker 2:Good cinematography. Explosion was definitely real. I understand the no visual effects. If I was Nolan I would use visual effects and just make the explosion look bigger, still real explosion, just make it just make it look bigger, like that's.
Speaker 2:My only complaint about it is that you know you use a real explosion, just like scale it up. That scene was probably my favorite. And then, honestly, dude, like the court scenes were really well done. Yes, it went from a biopic to like a thriller and to a political thriller and the way they questioned it, questioned him, and the way they told the story of the aftermath of Oppenheimer. It was also sad.
Speaker 2:Man Like he got, like his. He got a lot of people in the science community that hated him. Of course he had his supporters, but it just seemed like he got the short end of the stick. Government didn't trust him. You know, even like Leslie Groves, like Matt Damon's, like like I trust him but based on like events that have happened within our security system and our government, you know someone could get a hold of him. It's not necessarily I don't trust him, it's just you know he has all this information he could do. It just sucks that he kind of just got the short stick at the end. It's just so many good actors too. Man Like Jason Clark, emily Blunt, josh Josh, florence Pugh Like she looked shy in her moment she was in I get that was the more.
Speaker 1:What the hell moment? I'll be honest.
Speaker 2:I knew the movies rated are. I did not know there was going to be a sex scene in Florence. Pugh was the one. I was just like whoa, like five minutes in what's happening. I know, yeah, so um, but yeah, like those two scenes really were really powerful to me. Oh, and like Robert Downey Jr, like he's he killed it, yeah, and this yes. And I don't even think we he was on screen as much. It's a little bit towards the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was pretty much at the end of the movie, where he was like you know he was, he was kind of put the forefront.
Speaker 2:I think he did really good too. Like I think this is his best performance outside of Tony Stark. To be honest, Like this is really.
Speaker 1:Strong performance.
Speaker 2:Like I will put him in the Oscar category for best supporting actor, in my opinion, just because he played. He played the villain pretty well and it just sucks that his character is based on someone who really was trying to like take this guy down for a petty reason. So yeah, yeah, just those two scenes like the courtroom scene or like the interrogation scenes, which is well done, well shot, well shot. Well. The sound was well edited in this, like the lead up to the execution of the first test bomb. So, yeah, just just everyone's shy man. Even like actors who had small moments, they shine, dude just blown away by their performances.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So I okay, so I do want to stay on the training test. That was probably my favorite scene of the movie. I know it's the more it's the. It's the scene of the movie that you know pretty much we've been leading up to half the movie for, like, this was as a test and I think they they did just a great job of just building it up, you know, all the through just conversations. You know it's like it's the very dialogue, heavy movie, not really that much action, very much a lot of moving parts, and you know, through dialogue, you know they they kind of just gave you that sense of urgency through each conversation leading up to the test. And yeah, like I'll echo your center and I mean that that Trinity test was amazing Like, again, using that sound, the sound choices for that scene was, you know just what you needed for that, because you're all, we're all waiting in the movie theater for that boom Right, and to hear, like to hear nothing, it was just pretty much silent.
Speaker 1:And then, at a random moment, you see, like at a random moment it wasn't even like, you know you can see it like, oh, it's going to play the sound now, random moment, it just hits you. You're like oh shoot.
Speaker 1:For me. I was taking it back. I was like, oh shoot, all right. And they, they picked with some you know you don't see it coming and I think that's a great way of kind of, you know, putting us in those shoes at that moment because they didn't know how he was going to react. I mean, freaking Oppenheimer told Groves is like Groves asked him, is like could this be? What's? What's the worst thing I could possibly have? Like I could, we could literally kill the earth doing that you know, he told Groves like we could kill the earth.
Speaker 1:It's like so what Wait? And Groves is confused what Wait? What are you telling? You're telling me that this, we could all die right here, right now.
Speaker 2:And he's like yeah, I hope, I hope not. He's like what do you want with theory alone?
Speaker 1:Yeah, near zero. Yeah, that's what I said. Yeah, I want zero.
Speaker 2:Yeah, man, this is theory, I'll tell you dog.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was just cool how the other scientists were like how they're prepping for the bomb. People were in their cars, people, like you know, people were, they were laying down on the, on the towel with their and everyone is looking back. But yeah, like that was, that was the defining moment of that movie and they executed it perfectly. Like I feel like that scene just kind of just makes it the whole half, first half of the movie worth it, right. So so yeah, like that was probably my favorite scene in the movie and you know, I think I think my second favorite one was when Robert Diney's genius character finds out he's not going to be in the cabinet through like, like when, when he when. That I forgot.
Speaker 2:That name draw Mr.
Speaker 1:Rob Name draw. Yeah, very Malick pretty much exposed him.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:I kind of. I was kind of shocked too, because we didn't really see that coming, because, yeah, through what? Through you know Lewis's advisors?
Speaker 1:they were just saying I, oh, he got it Like he's he's not even gonna, he's gonna, just you know, he's gonna Cape up for you and he's gonna drive up and hi to the ground and you'll get your cabinets and then we're literally the last hurdle and pretty much he pretty much blasted a man and pretty much cost him the seat. And you know we find out, you know he did this whole, like Lewis's whole monologue of just.
Speaker 1:You know him just being so pissed out, the mastermind yeah, he's like the mastermind behind the whole thing and you know he got his seat who, and you know, he didn't get it and it was just kind of like, yeah, that's what you get for putting someone through the ringer like that and, you know, thinking that there's consequences like there's gonna be no consequences.
Speaker 2:So so, yeah, I really, I really enjoy that scene, but yeah, I like that like name drop, like, like like the senators who, like stopped him from being under under thing and they were like who's like the who's? This one is like oh, it's a young guy and it's like like it's JFK man, yeah yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 2:I was like it was like whoa. That felt like I was like yo, like they were wanting to like name drop him. Yeah, In that movie I was like whoa. I didn't know. That that's cool, I think I wonder if I feel like they did that for history's sake. Yeah, because I know well like one thing also that this film did really well was like I. If you ask a lot of Gen Z people, they probably they still can't really answer what exactly the Cold War was. This was a really good insight to the Cold War People like right, we really did have like there's like every country that spies everywhere, which is crazy, and it was good. So it's a good intro to what the Cold War was like. And then, obviously, you know I got guys like JFK. He's trying to. You know he's on the other side. Like you know this Cold War could happen. I remember his like inauguration speech is like one of the best in like world history about how to like how to deal with threats like this. So yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I think it's a nice little wrinkle they did because, you know, it kind of sets a tone of like what happens to American history going forward yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about the ending, though like really quick, yeah, or not really the ending, but like the overall, how we feel about the movie. I I it's weird because I felt super awful, I felt crappy, but there's also that part of me is like this was a good movie but I feel like shit.
Speaker 1:You know, I feel that way.
Speaker 2:So and I've seen some people who I think they take that feeling too seriously where they gave it not necessarily a bad score but it's like they miss the point of the movie, which is kind of an unfair review, like it's like if I watch a horror movie and then I said I didn't like it because I got scared, it's kind of dumb.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean it's it's. I like movies that do that. I'm not saying every movie needs to be that way, but I left feeling awful. I didn't feel good but I knew I had a great experience as far as like this movie like kept me glued. So the ending of it too, just the, the afterthought, you know, I think we kind of discussed a little bit, a little bit before, but it just I'm on the drive phone. I was just thinking, like man, like how many nukes do we have? You know, how many is Russia have? What the hell is North Korea cooking up? You know, like it just makes me think about like that kind of stuff, like what is the point? Like I can't there's always war and stuff but like what are we doing? Guys, Come on.
Speaker 1:Can't do anything, better, pick up a comic play some video games.
Speaker 2:You know like watch them. Like you know Jags 90s highlights, just do something.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, yeah, like that's yeah.
Speaker 2:What do you I can't we kind of talked about it, but what do you guys think about the, like, the actual ending of the movie and how they shot it and to kind of set up that idea of, like, where the world is now?
Speaker 1:I think that I mean, it did a great job of kind of you know, because this movie is kind of like a PSA of what you know, what could happen right, like in in the 20th century or 21st century or whatever, like how that could play out. Like this was just, these were just people with formulas, with theories, with ideas, and for them to kind of create this, this weapon of that could, you know, essentially destroy countries and all that it. You know, I feel it was super effective to have you know that final scene with Einstein and and Oppenheimer, because there are the only two people who know, like there are the only two people who know beyond the numbers, like beyond beyond just any speech or anything like that, like what, like what they set in motion is again that keyword, the chain reaction, and and you know you're feeling the effects of that, you know they were feeling the effects of that and we'll, you know, just to end the war. Now we're feeling it in a whole different way because everyone has, you know. You know you hear on the news everyone's. You know you got, you got North Korea, like testing, testing missiles, you know, trying to trying to see how far they can. You know they can shoot a missile from from where they're at. So it's almost like this evolution of what Oppenheimer and Einstein and them started. But yeah, like I don't know, I just felt, you know the ending of the movie, I just kind of felt sorry for for Oppenheimer, for at some point, because you know he, this is a, this is a character that is very flawed.
Speaker 1:You know, we understand the beginning of the movie, that you know he, he didn't really make the best decisions, especially when it came to, like you know, his affiliations with the Communist Party and all that. And then you know that being getting pretty much blowed back at him when, when he was interrogated, you know, and then at the end, when he becomes like this kind of like just a figurehead, you know, like he's at the White House, he gets a little plaque and a handshake and a thank you for your service type thing, and it's just like that's how, that's how these scientists will be remembered. You know, like they're always going to be the behind the scenes. You know it will always be another scene.
Speaker 1:That kind of just just kind of put the put like the whole bow on the whole movie for me is when he, oppenheimer, goes in the Harriet Truman, harriet Truman's office, and he's like he lets him know like his, his, like you know his who worries about you know whatever, and Harriet Truman just kind of gives him the little finger. You know he's like who are you yeah?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Gary Oldman. Right, gary Oldman. I was like yo. Is that Gary Oldman? That's Gary.
Speaker 1:Oldman.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, right, yeah Same.
Speaker 1:And the way he conveyed that and he was just like screw you, man, like no one's gonna. I, it's all about me, like you know, it's all about the government. The government now owns your, you know, your, your brainchild, you know, and we can do whatever we want, you know, and they were even teasing the H bomb too. So it was almost like they're already thinking three steps ahead. When he was like y'all need to stop making these nuclear weapons because y'all, y'all are trying to, you know, pretty much all y'all trying to, just, you know, fast forward the end of the world, you know, because, because there's no, there was no, there was no like parameters, anything in check for nuclear, you know, development, it was just like, again, we, we go to the arms race that happens years later, where it's just like make as much as you can. You know so, so yeah, it was.
Speaker 1:I, you know, I felt sorry for Oppenheimer. I felt a whole bunch of different feelings, like he was just, he kind of made his own bed when, when you, you know, when you find out that you know one of the communists, like one of the people, one of the scientists in his group, was a communist and gave it to the Russians. So you know it's. It's kind of like it's a cautionary tale. That's how I just came out. It's a cautionary tale of you know you may come up with the next greatest idea, but that's all you're going to have is an idea before the government takes it and turns it into something that you never wanted to. You know, I was just. They were creating the bomb just to win the war. Now they're creating bombs to tickle the world or destroy the planet. So that was my feeling at the end of the movie, like it was just a lot of different emotions, but it was just very much.
Speaker 1:I feel bad for Oppenheimer. I feel, you know, I feel like he made his own bed and you know it's a cautionary tale for the future. I mean, how do you not come out in front of a movie and not think about, like, what the next 10 to 15 years could be like? You know, because the society is rapidly changing. Every second, every minute, there's always something. The next, what's the next thing? You know we talk about AI in our last you know last couple episodes. Like I was literally thinking like is AI the new thing? Like, is this the sky? Is AI going to turn the Skynet and turn into pretty much industrialization, as we know, and being all robotic or all you know are, am I going to be able to do that? Am I going to be able to have a job?
Speaker 2:Right, yeah, it's just one of those things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, it's just everything you know, and I think that at that time with Oppenheimer, it was just that war was everything to the world, like that was just. That was the mindset, you know. That's why when, like, you see all these scenes of all these Americans being happy and stuff like that, it's, it's patriotic, but it's also just like a relief. I saw it as like a relief, like, thank God, we won, we can bring our troops home. All that you know, it's not even the you know America's better. It's like, hopefully that's how I'm interpreting that was a side relief, especially for those people in. You know, in was it Los Alamos. That was the site, right, los.
Speaker 2:Alamos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, Mexico yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because they I mean they could have been the front lines. You know they were. They were teased in some of these, some of these scientists could have got drafted to the war. So it was almost like I have to do my part in Los Alamos or I might get sent to the front line, you know. So yeah, that's just like my whole totality of like the ending and all that. It was just just sad. It was sad and it's also very makes you think a lot Like that's what all Nolan movies, they you think a different way, you know. And did he do? Did he do Dunkirk?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was, that was great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that was a good movie.
Speaker 2:His loud, yeah, it was like that's the one where Harry Styles he played like a total douche, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Now remember I think I'm getting mixed up with that that 1941 movie. Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, okay, so yeah, the no, the the one where it was like a World War I movie.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like a one with.
Speaker 2:Sam Mendes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there you go. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I it's okay. So yeah, dunkirk, I remember Dunkirk. No, it was a good movie. That was good, though, for real yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean I wouldn't mind Nolan doing more of these several moments in history and putting his spin on it. I mean, you know he's kind of two for two on that.
Speaker 2:But you don't like Tenant, just always want to see what y'all thought of it. I think I have to watch it again. To be honest, this is me. I didn't.
Speaker 1:I didn't hate it.
Speaker 2:I didn't. I didn't hate it, I thought it was good. I'm gonna watch it again because I feel like I I miss some things.
Speaker 1:I don't know how do you feel like it?
Speaker 2:Honestly, I felt that movie was like Nolan's Avengers Endgame.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 2:Okay, where it was like all the movies that he's made, he has put all into this one movie, yeah, yeah. Where it's just like oh, you know that whole like reverse thingy, that's like inception, like the whole, like Him and Neil the team. Yeah, yeah, just interstellar. Yeah, I think I watched it again. I did like it. Just, I feel like there's some things I didn't pick up on. I only saw it once, though. It's like the payoff is really good. Yeah. Where it's just like oh, oh, I didn't know that, that's cool, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like that was his most ambitious movie.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what it probably was.
Speaker 1:It's one of those things where it takes, it takes inception and like just the frameworks of those ideas, right, time Reverse, like all that stuff, and just like put on steroids and just like, yeah, yeah, making action movie, like the whole, like some of the scenes in Tenet, is so crazy, like because you're your mind you really have to find that it's going to reverse All these fight scenes is like they're jumping backwards.
Speaker 2:They make reverse.
Speaker 1:And I'm like yeah, so holy I feel like Tenet is one of those things where you have to watch it multiple times.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Not just like just to get the movie, but also just to kind of like just be like dude, this guy, this, this filmmaker made a damn movie in reverse.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Like his whole thing was. It was insane. I mean it's not, it's not my favorite, no, movie yeah. But it's one of those things where it's just like if I feel, if I feel up like a random day, I'll be like dude. I'm gonna watch Tenet. I'm gonna put myself through the freaking ringer. Like I want to figure this out. It's almost like a one of those was it Rubik's.
Speaker 2:Cube. Yeah, rubik's Cube.
Speaker 1:You know, you just try to get to the end.
Speaker 2:But I'd like, yeah, I do. I think the one thing that's strong with Nolan is that his casting and the use of the actress he casts because I don't know man, I what's his name? Robert Pattison was really good in the movie.
Speaker 1:That freaking John.
Speaker 2:David Washington, former running back. I thought he was good too. Like, if this is, I'll wait for him to get his due as an actor, dc's due for some awards. To be honest, yeah, yeah, like I left that movie felting, like I felt inverted. I was like like, when I left out the movie I was like yo, am I inverted right now? I don't know.
Speaker 1:But, it was walking backwards to the bathroom.
Speaker 2:I know I'm like like and and he just I don't know, that movie was like literal, like movie magic. It's just like, oh yeah, we're going to do that whole scene again, that whole airplane scene, I know, dude, in reverse, so so. So like, after I watched the movie I was just kind of like doing my research and stuff and apparently the boy is is, is Robert, is Robert's character, but older, like like the boy who, who is the son of the wife? Yeah, that's Robert in the past. And just kind of like this weird thing where it's just like, oh so, he knew him already. I need to watch it again now. Yeah, like like watch it knowing that. And you're like what? Yeah, chris is a good filmmaker. I know a lot of people keep saying he's overrated then or he's overrated then he does something like this, or he does something like Oppenheimer. Then you're like, damn, and what else he's got. I know, I mean, I know, I know him.
Speaker 1:I know him. Film is like an event, because he's like one of the last big filmmakers that I'll go watch a movie. I don't think there's a filmmaker that I can put up top of my head. I'm like I need to watch what he's doing next.
Speaker 1:Like I don't know if I would say the Russo Brothers, but like they kind of are extinction or extraction to extraction, they kind of they kind of put their different. I don't know, they have their one, they have their style right. But Nolan kind of like he does different things, like he'll just test the boundaries of right now what he can think of, you know, and he's a great writer. He's a great writer in regards to storytelling and all that. But yeah, like shoot, I don't think there's any other filmmakers that can think of that. I'm like I need to watch this movie, I think he's.
Speaker 2:He's, in my opinion, like the last, not to say true, but he's the last filmmaker that's big and huge, like that, who's not doing too many visual effects. Because when I watch Oppenheimer I kind of was excited that there was a lot of it. It kind of made me feel more, more, more, more thrilled by the movie, like I just felt like I was more tuned in. I don't know Like I love Marvel movies, but all the CGI man, it's like I'm getting numb to it where it's just like, like you were saying earlier, scott, when we were talking about a secret invasion, you're just like the ending fight scene which is up here we go typical Marvel ending fight scene CGI. Like I don't know when Nolan did Oppenheimer, it just was really nice is just watch this film and see how it's done and not use visual effects and still tell a great story, like now we see in Hollywood we need to rely on visual effects to make the movie good. Like just make the writing good, shoot it good and then it'll be good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean he shoots in that IMAX 70 film too. Yeah, 70 film. And after watching that movie I was like damn it, why is there not an IMAX 70 screen near us? Like they're all, they're all like it West Coast. Like far West Coast, far East Coast.
Speaker 2:World Golf World Golf.
Speaker 1:Is that one still?
Speaker 2:Is that one still the 71?
Speaker 1:No, no, I think that one's gone. They changed it. Oh no, because it used to be like a double Decker theater man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I think that was gone. I looked up, I looked at the, the, the, what you know what IMAX screens are available to watch Oppenheimer in that, in that version, and I think the closest one is like in, I think it's like near Miami or something like that. It's like it's in a random city in Florida or something like that. But yeah, like I don't know. Okay, so what? Okay, so where's Oppenheimer ranked in the Nolan?
Speaker 1:Oh, you know I know it's a tough to think about, but just off the top of your head, where does this rank? It's just top three, just top five.
Speaker 2:I want to say three for me. Three for me, it's not. It's not the best Nolan movie Probably I'll probably put it number three I put for me. I'll put Dark Knight at one. I'll put Oppenheimer three and two. I might either flip in between inception and here's, like one that some people don't talk about a lot, but I really liked it because it was a clever twist the prestige.
Speaker 1:I enjoyed that.
Speaker 2:I think that's a very underrated Nolan movie Christian Bale, hugh Jackman I'm like flipping between inception and that for number two, but I'll put Oppenheimer three. To be honest, that's how I feel about it, yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean that's you know the the boss. I said a lot of great movies. I'm like no flipping in my head, man.
Speaker 2:It was hard for me. It's not number one or number two, for sure. Nolan, like Oppenheimer, is not one and two for me for his movies.
Speaker 1:No, no, like that's. I think he's like top, I think it's a top five movie. Maybe if I watch it again I'll be like oh, shoot man, it's really good. But but like I don't know, like for me it's dark night, oh I understand.
Speaker 2:I said one, two shoot Sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I even I. One of my favorite Nolan movies is one of his first movies, Memento, that's a good one.
Speaker 2:I forgot about it. That was a great movie, damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm a Memento. And then, oh man, I really like dude. I really like dark night return, dark night rises. Oh yeah, dinner rises Like that was good. Oppenheimer is like top five for me, because I man, I like inception. Inception might be like four and then I'll put oppie, oppie, f5. But like seminal works, like like movies, all like probably go back to like am I, can I really sit down and watch Oppenheimer?
Speaker 2:three hours again, right yeah.
Speaker 1:Like I can sit back and watch dark night. When dark night comes on, it's like whether I'm not doing anything right now. I need to have this. I need to have it on the screen. I don't know who's who's his superhero stuff. Man, the dark night trilogy is man, I don't know. It's tough, it's tough for me to to like not think of that as, like you know, because, like he didn't have CGI, Like he was literally doing this, just like real world stuff, like you know, and to make it, you know, to make those movies at the time when he would think he made those movies now, like back then, compared to like, if he made it, like maybe a couple of years afterwards, like you know, maybe in like the early 2010s and stuff, you know, that would, I don't know, I don't know what would happen. There have been, like Nolan, you have to use some CGI. Like we can't. We can't, you know, have all this stuff without. No, you know, we, we need us to be big and grand Like bro, it's just city of Gotham and yeah.
Speaker 1:I do, I know, I know in the dark night like.
Speaker 2:The one scene that was really good to me was when it's like it's. It's like a cinema history, like no one's ever flipped the semi truck with its trailer like 180 flip. Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah man, he didn't even follow that.
Speaker 1:Like I can do that. I can do that Fast and furious.
Speaker 2:And we'll CGI it though, vin, don't worry, buddy All right cool At least. I did it, though I still did. What about you, scott? What's your like? Okay, what's top, what's top? We'll do top five for you, scott. What's top five?
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no movies.
Speaker 2:So no movies. One is Memento, okay. Interstellar Three, inception Gosh, I mean I'm For the Tark night, and five that Harry Styles movie Dunkirk.
Speaker 1:Dunkirk yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, like the, the like I think that's a better history movie than Oppenheimer. It's like the way that they have it, the like that war movie is shot is like so it's like Lancy air, yeah, right, right. And it's just like like you feel. You feel like you're in like a museum, like watching, like a history movie, yeah, and it's like like I don't know. I think Oppenheimer is is honestly like on the bottom it's made.
Speaker 1:I'm just kidding, it's just messing with you.
Speaker 2:It's hard because, like, all these movies are like hits Right, yeah, yeah. So it's like yeah, that's true, putting it's like yeah, putting off the camera in the bottom is like it's like you're ranking like these like near perfect movies and it's just like, yeah, I got pro on the bottom because I like Memento and Interstellar and inception. I think I like don't cook a lot better, though I'm just like man because it was a good battle movie because it's set. Yes, but, and like Dukila Murphy was in the movie too, I forgot about it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, he is like man like that movie was really good, where I was just like that moment where the plane was just kind of like flying and it's just like, oh, that's a real plane, just kind of like falling in the sky.
Speaker 1:And it was.
Speaker 2:Tom Hardy the pilot. Right, he was the pilot.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I need to watch that. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It was good. Yeah, I was like I think about like his history in movies, which is only those two. Yeah, and I was like I think like that movie is better than opera. I think if I were to, I think I would. In my opinion, I feel like opera hammers a better film, but I like Dunkirk better because I like action more.
Speaker 1:Yes, I think that's how I feel about it. For me, it's very.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's. Yeah, it was. It was really good, it was just loud. Yeah, I was just like whoa man, it's OK, here we go and I know yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're just, we're picking A plus is like which? A plus is better than right.
Speaker 2:You know it's hard.
Speaker 1:It's hard Like it's no longer all nine out of 10s dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like the filmography is like some of the best I've you know, ever since I started watching movies, and like paying attention to them like his movies was just been. You know, must see. Like you know, more hate on interstellar man.
Speaker 2:I'm reading a lot of stuff and people are hate, no, you know, you know what it is. I just read him what people are saying about it. I think it's because they want something super science behind, behind the reason. Oh, like love yeah.
Speaker 1:People.
Speaker 2:I think that's the only reason why people want people, want something with super science, and like, in my head, I'm like this, this. When I saw it and I was like, oh, this is a nice like rap for like a movie. You know, a good sentiment. Because at the end it hits you when, like, the family doesn't want him anymore because he's, they've aged, they moved on time with yeah, yeah, so it's like it's love. And then, oh, it ends in dread still. Yeah, it just ends like day man. This, like this workaholic dad is just, yeah, he's still, he's still doing the work and picking his work over his family. Yeah, adios. And that was. That was a rough ending too. I mean, it was a good, it was a good storytelling, but it's just rough ending where his, his daughter, is like, get that. All the family like, yeah, we love you. All right, man, get out of here, makana. Hey, get out of here, we're done. You've left us some.
Speaker 2:But I just like yeah, that movie, just I, I, I feel like it gets a lot of hate, but the moments in that movie are just so legendary. It's just like. Yeah, like I don't know, I might change my top five, I might put that in number three. It's like you're. Like you're saying, steve, it's hard man, it's hard man Is.
Speaker 1:I was just thinking when we while you just talk, is dark night rises, the ending for that, the happiest Nolan ending, I think so, I think, so, I think so. Wayne just sees Alfred like the head, man like man.
Speaker 2:I'm here, he's with a sit in a cow Like they're having a life together.
Speaker 1:It's like yeah, I think that's the happiest ending. Everything else has been like well, kind of people are dead, because the way it's like oh, I'm in a dream.
Speaker 2:And I think Nolan, he has specific vision of how it ended, but he said he wanted purposefully to be left like that. So like the audience can come to a conclusion, I sometimes don't like that, to be honest. Yeah, I sometimes don't. Uh-huh, yeah, I was like am I in a dream? Is he true, or is he really with his family? I'm just going to watch it over again and just see if I can find any clues.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah Well, yeah, man, this is, I mean, oppenheimer man one of the movies of the year. You know, just just just a fantastic film. You know, I would definitely highly recommend watching it. Um, if you're like, especially if you're into history, like you know, this is one of the one of the. You know one of the people that really, you know, as time goes on, you really don't really know much about, you only hear it in, you only hear it through, you know, through school and through, if you really want to learn more about certain times, you really have to dig. And for Nolan to kind of do that movie and just tell his story, even though you know it's, it's the bomb, is all that, but it's also the character that he flushed out and you know, uh, and he kind of put it back to the forefront, you know. So so, yeah, uh, I guess you have any guys have any final thoughts or anything like that.
Speaker 2:Um, uh, before we wrap this up, Just a good movie, but just the feeling is not what you want, but it's still a good movie though. Yeah, oh, uh uh, nolan's Oppenheimer is like Fincher's the social media.
Speaker 1:So watch here, let's go.
Speaker 2:Watch the social network and then you watch Oppenheimer and you're like these movies are very same.
Speaker 1:They're very similar Very same.
Speaker 2:Like you feel you like, see Oppenheimer. But then it's like I don't want to put Oppenheimer and Mark Zuckerberg in the same like playing field. One's like. One's a possible lizard person, the other one is a scientist. Yeah, basically, you know and and, um, but the like, the style of that movie of the social network is like the style of Oppenheimer. So if you like the social network, watch Oppenheimer.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, if you want to be, uh, if you want the chain reaction and for social, for the internet, that's the movie you want.
Speaker 2:And uh, let's see what else. Emily Blunt might win an Oscar for her performance, because she was really good. Yeah, that was. She had some strong performances. She wasn't on screen as much, but when she did she delivered.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What about you? All right?
Speaker 2:Um, you find all thoughts on, like Oppenheimer, what would you, what do you think, going out of the movie talking it with us Like how do you feel now?
Speaker 1:I mean it's it's good to have this conversation. You know it's a, it's a movie that you really want to talk to somebody about, just because you want to just kind of hear their thoughts, because, uh, uh, this movie is very much in the weeds of like history, right, and you kind of want to, you know, hear other people's perspective just to see. Not, not not that it matches yours, but it's just like it's just to heal back the layers, cause there's a lot of information in that movie and it's just like people sometimes interpreted differently. Yeah, it's one of those ever evolving movies that you'll be like.
Speaker 1:You know, again, it's about Oppenheimer, it's about the making of this atomic bomb that you know that, uh, that ended the war, but it's everything surrounding that, the government involved, man, you know pettiness of senators, you know just the communists like that, the communist party rising. There's just a lot of different factors that you know Nolan touched on and he gave enough time. I feel like he gave enough time to everything, um, and you know he put in this movie. So, yeah, I'm just glad to have this conversation because, you know, it's just one of those things where, if I watch it again, I feel like I'm going to have the same type of thing going on, where I'm like I gotta talk about it Cause there might be something new that I didn't, I didn't catch, so yeah, All right, y'all well, watch Barbie watch Barbie.
Speaker 2:Y'all Watch Barbie Barbie's better than Oppenheimer. Come on, let's go. I'm saying it.
Speaker 1:We just talked two hours about. I was about to say I was like you trying to, trying to click bait or trying to do something.
Speaker 2:You're ready for the Barbie review? The barb go Spoil the movie for me.
Speaker 1:Uh, women have it hard.
Speaker 2:Women have it hard.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, no, everybody, everybody wins.
Speaker 2:Everyone wins. Everybody wins, yes, yes, All right, y'all.
Speaker 1:Well, we're going to end it off there. Thank you, guys, for listening and we will see y'all next time. Talk to y'all later. Peace, peace, peace.