Ready to delve into the summer movie madness? We've got you covered with our thoughts on the June movie slate, including the incredible potential of 'Spider-Verse' to be the best movie of 2023!
Join us as we dive into the fantastic world of 'Spider-Verse', exploring the breathtaking animation, captivating new characters, and the engaging plot. We navigate the concept of the multiverse, marveling at how 'Spider-Verse' brings a fresh perspective to this popular storytelling device. Plus, we can't wait to see what the sequel has in store for us!
But wait, there's more! We consider the possibility of a Tom Holland cameo in Spider-Verse and the challenges of introducing new characters into the MCU. And don't miss our speculation on a surprise appearance from Japanese Spider-Man in the third film. So sit back, relax, and let's get our movie geek on!
Ready to delve into the summer movie madness? We've got you covered with our thoughts on the June movie slate, including the incredible potential of 'Spider-Verse' to be the best movie of 2023!
Join us as we dive into the fantastic world of 'Spider-Verse', exploring the breathtaking animation, captivating new characters, and the engaging plot. We navigate the concept of the multiverse, marveling at how 'Spider-Verse' brings a fresh perspective to this popular storytelling device. Plus, we can't wait to see what the sequel has in store for us!
But wait, there's more! We consider the possibility of a Tom Holland cameo in Spider-Verse and the challenges of introducing new characters into the MCU. And don't miss our speculation on a surprise appearance from Japanese Spider-Man in the third film. So sit back, relax, and let's get our movie geek on!
Hey everyone. on today's episode of Stuck in the Phantom Zone, we're catching up and giving our thoughts on the jam-packed June movie slate. It's so much discussion that we had to break it up into two parts. In part one, we talk across the spider-verse and present the case that this could be the best movie of 2023. We are talking spoilers, so you have been warned. Make sure you subscribe to our podcast to keep up to date on any future episodes. Hope you enjoy the show. Hey guys, welcome to another episode of Stuck in the Phantom Zone. I'm your host, stephen, and today I have my buddies with me, arcee and Neil. We're going to talk some summer movies. It's been a while, so we have a lot to catch up on. Just want to start out Hey, arcee and Neil, how are you guys doing today?
Speaker 2:Good man. This summer movie season is hot. It's packed. I'm at the theater like three times a week. I'm spending money, i'm eating popcorn breakfast, lunch and dinner. It's been a good summer season of movies.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it has been With some movies I've seen so far. of course you're going to have the nitpicks, which I do too, but I'm enjoying it. Even the stuff where I was critically acclaimed or critically roasted on I'm just like I enjoyed it. I'm having fun. I mean, i see what's wrong with it, but I can watch it again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, i'm going to go back to something you said, arcee. I've been in the movies a lot these past couple of months, probably starting since Guardians. I've been to movies probably more than I've probably like five, six, seven times And, yeah, i've had probably more popcorn than I've had in like a year's worth of going to the movies. And I've been usually going to movies on Tuesdays. So I'm really like really cashing in on those matinees $6, $9 in the afternoon.
Speaker 3:Those are like the best dude When it's not too many people. it's just like a good feeling. You can just kind of sit and relax and not worry.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, for sure. Like XD for like Cinemark XD for like nine bucks. I'm like all right, that's a steal. I'm just going to spend the rest of it on popcorn and a drink or something. So yeah, it's been super fun. So today we're actually going to dive into three movies. Give our thoughts. We're going to talk across the Spider-Verse, the Flash and Transformers, rise of the Beast. So I mean, just starting off, this month has been jam-packed and we're not even done Like. We still have, i think, indiana Jones. At the end of the month, which is next, i think next week, mission Impossible is coming up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Barbie, barbie Do Oppenheimer. I'm excited about that one, to be honest. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:That's another one I want to watch, like in XD. I want to make sure I might actually do D-Box on that because I want to feel the nuclear explosion on my chair, christopher. Nolan use an actual nuke. Yeah, yeah, yeah, i'm like, okay, i think that might be one. I might do a 4D action on that.
Speaker 2:Dude, christopher Nolan, said in an interview that the test screenings that he's been holding like audience members have been, like, visibly shaken by the amount of like, because the way I guess the way he's mixed the audio is that you actually feel the bomb. So if you go to an IMAX man, you better like where, like some protection on, you might have your chest caved in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, just don't sit in the front, sit in the back.
Speaker 2:I'm going to watch that in like 4DX man, go to read Google and experience all like the sensory stuff. It's just going to be like just smoke for three hours and all.
Speaker 3:Projector got burned out. man, I know.
Speaker 1:Dude, i'm going to check when Oppenheimer tickets, like, finally go on sale. I'm going to check all the all the times and see if someone parked a got a ticket for like right in front, like right in front of the screen.
Speaker 3:He's not going to make it.
Speaker 1:I want to go to that theater. I just want to see this dude's reaction. I'm like I just want to see what, how he comes out of the theater, like because you know it comes out.
Speaker 3:I was right. Yeah, i give it a.
Speaker 2:B plus. He's like man. He's like what I think you're. You're bleeding from your nose there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so yeah, we got a lot of a lot of movies left, um, but yeah, we're going to talk about the movies that we've saw, seen so far. So, um, i do want to pose a question with you guys, because we do have all this, all these movies, on top of the streaming, all that, like. I have a question for you guys, and I'll start with RC. Um, has it been difficult for you to kind of keep up with the, with the streaming content, the movie content, like you know? have you? I know it's like most of these movies have been like stuff that we've been anticipating for years, pretty much, um, but do you feel some sort of fatigue, like going into, you know, going to the, you know, end of June, going July with all these other movies? How are you feeling about, you know, your fatigue of movies so far?
Speaker 2:I am not fatigued at all. Um, you know, i've already hit at my local movie theater. I've already hit my platinum status. I think you have to watch like 25 movies to hit platinum status and I've already like reached that goal. Um, there is a lot of content, yeah, not just in the theaters but streaming, and you know, it's like you kind of want to stay on on track with, like the conversation that's happening out there.
Speaker 2:So not only am I watching movies and streaming, i'm watching anime. So I'm going to have to keep up with like the latest anime news and and and not get spoiled with that. But I don't know, it's it's been a it's been a hefty balance. I I have a lot of dates like filled up on my calendar and of just like I need to watch this and, okay, there's this movie coming up, so I need to uh, like, for example, the new Indiana Jones movies coming up next week. I was like I need to reacquaint myself with all four previous movies, so I need to schedule time to do that, and then, you know, not the fourth one.
Speaker 3:I'll skip that.
Speaker 2:Like last crusade. The third one is like my like, probably number one, number two favorite movies of all time. But you know, and in between that I work and sleep and eat. And so but yeah, it's just like you know. It's just been a lot like. Well, we were talking before the show about fast X. Like you know, before that movie came out I had watched fast four, five, six, seven, eight and nine in like within a week?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and was it like one? one a day? Yeah, pretty much like one a day. That's not too bad, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:If I did, if I did too, man it. It, you know, it's just a lot of content and it's just I don't know, i, i, i have like ADHD pretty much, so I can like have it on the background while doing work. But if I want a full experience, usually I'll like I'll set, like okay, i have three free hours here where I could like squeeze in the movie and whatnot. And then you know also other other hobbies of mine reading comic books, reading manga, occasionally going outside and touching grass, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and eating food and all that. So I don't know, it's been a hefty balance, but I I don't feel overwhelmed. It is a lot, but it's like it's like eating eating your favorite junk food every day. You're just like. I mean, i can't get tired of this. It's like it's like eating sushi and like, oh man, i just want more, i just want more.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, i'm just feeling we're, we're in the June, we've got a whole, we've watched pretty much a you know a bunch of movies, a lot of content. How are you feeling?
Speaker 3:It's not necessarily fatigue, it's more like like trying to find the time. It's not like, oh man, this movie's coming out too And I got to watch this. Like it's. It doesn't seem like a chore, even like with the Marvel movies which, like I kind of want to do a podcast on one day. Where is like, when is the bubble ever gonna burst? online, it being popular, relevant? I don't think it will.
Speaker 3:To be honest, whether I'm still into it or not, just because they're just been chunking out and making money off of this stuff And they're always getting new audiences. But it's more along the lines of you know, everyone's busy sometimes school work, obligations, bills, you know, and all that stuff. I was kind of like RC, was like, oh man, i got June ready to be voted for all these movies and to watch, and I was like, oh yeah, you're gonna go out of town for a work trip. Like, oh, okay, but this movie comes out this week and I really wanted to watch it day out, yeah. So it's more along the lines of not necessarily feeling fatigued, but it's more like just wanting to find that time to go out there. And I would say it's been a not on a roller coaster, but there's been ups and down months where it's like I can't really have time to like watch, at least go out to the movies. But if it's like streaming content, it's a little bit easier. Yeah, and there's stuff where I purposely wait for streaming, just because I know I'm not hurting to go watch in the movies.
Speaker 3:But ever since being out in the theaters like you know, you guys were well, we were all talking about before kind of going back to the movies again and doing more and more, it just it just feels better. Even if it's like a movie. I'm like this doesn't seem, it's like it'd be that good, but I just want to watch it in theaters, yeah. So it's more along the lines of not feeling fatigued but more along the lines of just wanting to make the time for it. And I don't feel fatigued because it doesn't feel like a chore, at least not yet. And I, you know we're like you're into, we're all into, you know, this type of content. And then we all have like our hobbies, and you know doing this, podcast photography, you know videography, so we were creative minds and we like just enjoying it. So it's, i don't necessarily think we would feel fatigued. It's more along the lines like all right, this has got to be good, because you're pumping all this content.
Speaker 1:So that's how I feel about it. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, it's one of those things where you know you also tie into social media, into this whole like schedule, because obviously you don't want to get spoiled on these movies, you want to try to watch them as quick as possible because you know it's so much you really never see. You kind of just fall into some of these spoilers just by just going on the internet and you don't even like you don't even know it. So yeah, for me it hasn't really reached that point, but you know it's a good test, though It's like this has been a month where it's like I don't think I've. It's been a while, since every week in June is like a movie that I'm kind of interested in to watch, like I was contemplating on watching the Jennifer Lawrence comedy.
Speaker 1:I was like maybe because I've been to the movies like every week. I'm like let's keep it up, like what's next on the docket, and I mean this is going to be like that going into July too. So you know, we'll see how I am after. like when I hit the fall, maybe it'll start to slow down, but it's been kind of cool to have this. you know, this whole like bunch of movies that we've there have been with us. you know, a DC movie, a Marvel movie, a Fast and the Furious, a Transformers movie, i mean all in this span of like eight weeks, which is kind of crazy. I don't think you've ever experienced something like that in a long time. So it's cool and it keeps us on our toes and kind of tests us to see how you know how much we could like keep up with it. And I think you know for some of us we're keeping up. We're doing it because you know us three individuals we're above. you know we're a little like experienced. We kind of been through the ringer on it. We know kind of what to do in regards to, you know, juggling content and like streaming and movies and stuff like that. So, yeah, let's jump right in, let's dive into these movies Into the multiverse. Into the multiverse, okay, so we'll start with Across the Spiderverse.
Speaker 1:This was the movie that kicked off June. and boy did it kick off. June Man, it was a juggernaut man. It freaking. you know, for me. I watched the movie twice, like I had to watch it. I watched it a regular screen and then I had to watch it in a premium screen. It was that good. So question to you, neil Did you expect that movie to be that good? Like I know, we were all pretty excited about the first after watching the first movie, but did you expect it to be like? you know, coming out theaters like damn, i was pretty much blown away by it.
Speaker 3:Yeah. So this well, going into the movie, the first Spiderverse movie Into the Spiderverse, that one was such a shockingly amazing movie And obviously it won best animated picture for the Oscar, so well, well, deserved. That one blew in my mind just because I never seen a movie done not just plot-wise, but just the way they animated it, the reasons behind the animations and how they're also character-driven. So they really thought about everything And it was. It's kind of hard to follow up on that. I personally don't think it's better than the first one, but this has probably been my favorite movie so far this year. Honestly, and right now I'm just like this has got it in my head. I'm already like this is like well in the lead, like they're playing Mario Kart and they lap them twice. They're well in the lead for best animated picture And I love the Mario Brother movie, but I loved it so much. But the Spiderverse across Spiderverse part one hands down best movie as best animated picture so far. But yeah, going into it, though I was kind of not to say skeptical, but the idea of the multiverse And maybe this is just me, but there's been so many iterations of it, good and bad, not just comic book like Marvel and DC Conte. We've been watching You got other shows and movies, have been doing this concept of the multiverse And it's become this idea and concept which is kind of I don't wanna say boring me. But, like man, everyone's doing it. Now, come on man, even the Transformers movie in some way it's not the spoiler, but there's time travel in there. So I'm just like, oh dang, man, everyone's doing it. But I would say this one does it in a way where it doesn't necessarily rely hardcore on the fact that it is, you know, the concept of the multiverse needs like they're not relying heavily on that as a plot. So it was easy to fall on a story and the way these characters are being developed. So, yeah, i really enjoyed this movie. I enjoyed the animation, i enjoyed the techniques they still used for it And all the new characters they introduced.
Speaker 3:I don't even know who would be my favorite character. I think Gwen Stacy in this one was my favorite. I gotta watch it a second time, maybe I might go. Oh, no, it's gotta be Hoby Brown. It's Spider-Punk's my favorite.
Speaker 3:But yeah, this movie was hands down like a perfection and the fact that it ended off in well, we already knew it was gonna be a two-parter, but the movie was so well done where the ending still shocked me, where it's like man, here we go, how's it gonna pick up from here? Because it hits you with more than just. The funny thing is, we've read comic books, we've read these types of concepts, but still the way the movie was written it got me so submerged into it where I didn't expect the way, i didn't expect how it went. Like the way it went, the whole movie and the ending. I was just like damn, i'm in the, like, i'm in the, i'm in the fields right now. This is so I give it. If I tend being the highest rating, i probably give it like 100. I saw, i feel about the movie 100 out of 10.
Speaker 3:There was not too many characters was like, oh man, this character is kind of annoying, or wish we kind of shown more. I felt like everyone equally had something, whether they're for a comedic bit or for the plot or development itself. So yeah, it was really good. I was not shocked, but it's but shocked at the same time.
Speaker 1:Cool, cool RC. same question to you, man How did what was your feeling coming out the theater Like, did it? you had your expectations right Going into the movie, did it exceed, or kind of just you know, you kind of were like equal, like with your expectations, like damn, this is what I expected. and all that with with Spider-Verse.
Speaker 2:Well, so I've seen Spider-Verse three times now All right, well, yeah.
Speaker 2:So you know it's up there for one of the best movies of the year so far, but you know, watching it a third time, there's still things that I didn't pick up. You know the first two go around, it's like you know there's the first like 10 seconds into the movie. On the bottom right hand the screen is just a little kind of word bubble, it's like blinking. You miss it And I was like dang, what is that? And all it is is a little cough.
Speaker 3:It just says in like sometimes it says cough Assusted stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah and I'm just like dang. You didn't have to add that in there. All it was is like an audio clip of someone in the audience coughing and they captioned it with like some Kirby-esque like bubbles cough. Like dang, someone had to animate that There's. So it's so like in depth that like it blew me away, like when I first heard.
Speaker 2:So I've been following like news on this for a while now And just to hear of the amount of people who had to work on this I think they said there was over a thousand animators that had to do it You definitely see the results. Now I'm also hearing reports of some of those animators had to work incredibly long hours, and so I hope, like this movie doing well, like everyone gets compensated somehow or like at least sees the fruits of the reward. But seeing it on screen, i think you really see the amount of hard work that goes into it, especially having to animate each world differently from the other, like when Stacy's world is very watercolor-y and pastel colors. And then you have Miles, which is like frenetic, and you really feel like you're living in that city. The way they show like, oh, here's this bodega that he frequents, here's like Miles' school, and then you know, as we jump into other multiverses, you know it fills out and you really like experience everything in that screen.
Speaker 2:It's an incredible movie And the fact that we're getting two parts is, just, like you know, chef's Kiss on it. I know a lot of people in the three times I've seen it. When it says to be continued on the screen there's like audible moans on Yeah, i don't know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of people didn't know that this was a two-parter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, shocking though Yeah which for for its two hour and 20 minute runtime. like there are points in the movie where, like, oh, you think this movie is going to end here, and then it just keeps on going for another 20 minutes.
Speaker 2:It's like, dude, man, we're eating, well, They're just feeding us. Like like crazy, Like I'm already full from the one, like the big spider chase scene and like Miguel O'Hara's revelation of Miles of, like his place in the universe. And then you throw in another act. It's like, okay, there's a three act structure for everything. And then here's act four and you're just like, whoa crap, Act four. I've never, I've never seen this before. But yeah, each time has been nice because you know when it hits flashes to be continued. You know, and hearing the audience, just like what? It's just like, oh, hey, just just wait. Which you know. I don't know how they're going to top this.
Speaker 2:The second chapter of Miles of story, I mean the into the spider verse, was, you know, definitely one of my. It is one of my favorite animation, animated movies. I think it's just so revolutionary, just like the style that they present. You know, every animated movie these days they kind of follow the Pixar formula. Everyone kind of looks like the same plastic kind of kind of archetype, you know, even from trolls to light year to even elemental that's coming out. It's like, okay, I know Pixar is a staple name in the animation world, but, like you know, into the spider-verse, across spider-verse. Shows you like you can branch out, you can experiment. I think the closest that that Animated movie is gone to like being experimental is Mitchell's versus the machines on the game.
Speaker 3:It's here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that that kind of follows that vein of the spider-verse movies where it's like mixed media and they can. They can The balance between 3d Animation, 2d animation and even incorporate live-action stuff. But you know a lot of movies That always feel safe with just following the Pixar formula of just like, okay, we have to animate this. They're not really pushing the boundaries and across the spider-verse, i think Just levels up the whole game. I've, you know, for I think I said like a thousand animators, different animation styles each world. You know the way that they even just for like the smaller scenes of like Gwen Stacy talking to her dad and just like you see the background just shift and change from Yeah, it's like these water color, like blotches is just it just adds. You know they're not doing it just like, just because they can do it. I think it enhances the mood that that Scene is trying to convey and all that.
Speaker 2:So that's a lot of thought that has to go into it And I could see why they needed three different directors All working in sync like okay, this, i think one of the action. One of the directors is is known for his action animation, one is known for his drama animation and the other one is Well, they, you know, they, they're just three sides of this pyramid that like, okay, we need to balance all of these elements together to form this, but I don't know, if I don't know how they're going to Top across spider-verse would be on the spider-verse. It's they, they. I feel like they've painted themselves into a corner, but, like, i trust these guys, lord and Miller, yeah you know, give them.
Speaker 2:Give them more of these types of movies. I know they've, i've noted they've overseen the Lego movies. I've know they see oversee, like other things. But dudes like, yeah, let let them steer the ship and let don't take control from them, because I think they Know what they're doing over there. They're fun, they're directors that like think outside the box.
Speaker 3:That's why they've been so successful and that's why Star Wars fired them because they wanted to do something different outside the box. Yeah, what could have been? yeah, and another multiverse What? Yeah?
Speaker 2:but, yeah, if, but, if these movies, i hope they they all win best picture for animation because, like the Standard that are that, the standard that they're setting is like, i don't know how they're gonna top this. Maybe trolls to my or trolls the new trolls movie, might it might beat them out, but I don't know how they're gonna do it. But it's just, i think at this point, if they, if they land near the landing on the third movie, this could probably be one of the greatest trilogy is in comic book movies. So that is. That is a bold statement, but it is probably a true statement.
Speaker 1:If, if that happens because I was even thinking, i was thinking about that too On top of I was thinking this could be like one of the best superhero sequels, like in, like in all superhero movies. Like it's it's already checking boxes, where it's like you've, we've had all these superhero movies come through past like decade and more And it's like this movie just nailed it across the board. And again, like I echo y'all set Sentiments about the movie, it's it's. It's one of those things where it's like, from the opening credits, when they were just Doing all the different things with the Marvel and Sony and all that, i was just like, i was ready, i was like man, this is gonna be crazy And I feel like, again they leveled up everything. It was like again they leveled up everything.
Speaker 1:It was, you know, from not only just the animation, but just the from not only just the animation, but just the type of risk that they took with, you know, adding all these characters. You know there's definitely a There could have been a risk there, like introducing all these new, new spider people. And You know we didn't see the original from the first movie. We didn't see the original cast. We only saw, like one of them on the main Peter the Peter Parker.
Speaker 1:But I know why at the end, yeah, yeah, we find out why too which is crazy, like the way they all the threads that they've been setting up from the first movie and then into the second movie and everything just kind of coming together just so perfectly is just, you know, it's such a joy to watch like I was man. I was, i was like a kid in the candy store while I was just watching this movie. I was like man, this is, if this doesn't make like I was like is this the best spider-man movie? Like this is like insane, like I, and we've, we've, we've, um, you know I love Peter Parker.
Speaker 1:Peter Parker, spider-man will always be driving, but miles They've done. They've done miles in two movies as like set them up as one of the you know could be one of the you know, a really a Spider-Man that can go up with Peter Parker. And it took like how many franchises to get you know a Peter Parker. You know, and they're still trying to figure it out, it's Tom Holland, the D Peter Parker. But it's like It was, it was everything was just so good, like the soundtrack, you know, i, i, i didn't think they could level it up, but they did. They put Metro, metro boomin on as a producer And I was like Spider-Man, did you see it?
Speaker 3:Yeah?
Speaker 2:Yeah, three times I've watched this movie. I didn't see it.
Speaker 3:He was like, he looked like him, but in a white and black like Spider-Man suit pretty much.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, he was. It was when he was chased. Miles was getting chased out of the spider society, yeah, and then he and it was like that pause where he's like everyone's stood and he's the dude that oh, that's him.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he's like oh, there wasn't a way out. Yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah, oh shoot, i didn't even know that, dang.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, i know, man, like there's, there's you'll, you'll miss it, some things, and Yeah, what? okay? Well, let me ask this to you guys What is your favorite or what's your favorite character? Like, if it's, if it's miles, is gonna be fine, but who would just say is your favorite character in the movie? Hmm, i'll go first.
Speaker 2:Yeah, go ahead I.
Speaker 3:Surprisingly not saying this character was ever bad or not interesting, but I was surprisingly like man. I really like when how they're doing Gwen Stacy like I was just like shot. How Invested I was in because I was like man. This is like miles of story too. But I had to give up to how they wrote her Her side to it didn't feel like, oh, we're just gonna shoot one in here, it just seemed more natural. And when they open up the movie with kind of her perspective, i was like, oh, that's a little interesting. I wonder why they're choosing to open up with what Stacy from her perspective and then they end the movie with her perspective as well. I was like, oh man, this is, this is really good. So she was, she was surprisingly my favorite character.
Speaker 1:Hmm, yeah, there's the definitely Gwen, like they really took her friendship with with Miles and and just kind of you know, doubled up, double down on it and it really made a good like Story like that. That's a nice sides side story with miles. It's probably they're kind of equal in regards to like you know how that, how that movie played out for me, man, it's it's tough man Like people. People have been loving spider punk and I love better punk. Just because You know just the way he's realized. Like a lot of these characters were real well realized via animation. Like I Don't know. Like, i Really like miles. Man, miles is, he's one, he's he has so many quotable like.
Speaker 1:There's a lot of quotes from that movie. I'm like, hey, man, he that that voice actor was, it should make more. He just nailed it. Yep, yeah, one thing that stuck out to like one, the quote that stuck out to me from him is like And I'm super paraphrasing, he's like everyone keeps telling me You know how to live my life or something like that, and he's like, nah, i'm gonna do me.
Speaker 1:And I'm just like, yeah, i'm gonna say yeah, i'm like that's, that's a, you know, that's a life put right there. Um, but, yeah, miles, yeah, just just the layers that they added with my story is just amazing. And then you know, you know the ending, the freaking twist that he, he didn't read, he, he's not, he's in the earth 42, or yeah, yeah, 42, instead of his back in his Homeworld, and I'm like, oh man, that's insane. That was one of the best twists to a superhero movie. Um, In in a long time. For me It got it, got like a. It got a. Oh shit, yeah, i was like what, every like. I think I watched it that the weekend or no, that that night, the opening night, and I just heard gasps Oh, you're like what. I was like man, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think when he He's, when he said like, he thought to himself, like There was never, like there was never a spider-man, this universe, so it's all chaotic, i was like, oh damn, i was it. Yeah, they could go down that way, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I do like how they, how they, how this kind of evil miles is, or How the earth 42 miles less prowler. Yeah, i was just just the two sides, two different sides of the coin, and it's like man. That is exactly what a like evil version of miles would look like. And I was just like man. That's so perfect. Just because you know, you know the, the storytelling, you know with his parents and just you know what it's like a what-if.
Speaker 1:You know What, if he didn't get bit by a spider and just followed his uncle's footsteps, he would have probably been. You know he's. That's pretty much what we're getting there and I think that's a great like. That's a great like cliffhanger going into the movie, because you're gonna see the other side of you know these past two movies we've been seeing his. You know how he's been living, with his pain, like You know his story, with his relationship with his parents and just him trying to find his way. And then now we're getting like Almost like a ghost of Christmas future type thing where it's like, hey, here's, here's what would happen if you, you know if you went the other way and she went with uncle. So that was, that was pretty cool, like RC. What was? what was your favorite moments from the movie?
Speaker 2:well, i Think I think Gwen Stacy, i think, deserves equal billing with miles like they. I mean the fact that they opened The movie, that you give the first 10 minutes to Gwen Stacy to tell her story, i think is One, i think, like ballsy, because people were like, oh, i'm here for miles, where's miles at? But I don't think you could tell miles the story without telling Gwen's story. We're seeing that from her perspective. So when you see that, you know you see them as Friends who are catching up. And then when you see that betrayal happen, like it, you could see that like physical hurt in miles, his eyes, that like he's been betrayed by his closest friends. So I think when they set up their, their kind of retribution or like their, their, their way to come back to Miles, miles aside, in the next movie I think it's going to be much more cathartic and all that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, gwen is probably a favorite of mine, i mean as a musician, the fact that they opened the movie with like a drum solo and you're just like, oh, my God, you're doing this To me. I was just like in heaven. I was like, oh, you're opening with a drum solo, would Gwen Stacy? I'm like, yeah, i am. Thank you, lord and Miller, i'm not going to say thank you.
Speaker 1:Really. 10 minutes in damn it, Yeah. And then it was good Yeah, that's it, That's it Movies good Movie of the year for me.
Speaker 2:And then you know, we got to talk about Miguel O'Hara.
Speaker 2:Oscar Isaacs incredible voice acting, It's like so good, It's like dude, he commands the screen. The fact that you know, of course you have the spot as the big bad villain, but the fact that they kind of did this underhanded move where, like, oh, the actual antagonist to Miles' story is the Spider Society and how they are very much by the book And like this is a canon event. You cannot disrupt the story. This has to happen, This has to play out. Your father has to die. And the fact that you know you almost forget, like oh crap, spots in the background He's powering up And, like you know, the visible threat to Miles right now is like I got to save my dad. And then the fact that they end with him in like a mirror universe, with him staring at his like evil self, you know. So we have the spot, We have the Spider Society, We have Miles' story And I'm like, dang, you got to wrap that all up in the next movie.
Speaker 1:So it is Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:It is a lot to juggle And I'm hoping that they you know I don't care if it gets delayed, as long as they tell the right story. Yeah, and it does feel like there's a lot of elements that are in the air But, you know, i trust that they have a game plan going forward. But that's needed to hear there. But it was all enjoyable for me. I think some of my favorite people as well are just like Miles' mom and dad. They have much more screen time.
Speaker 2:This movie, and you have like some of my favorite moments in the movie aren't even like the action scenes. It's the quieter moments of just Miles kind of talking with his mom, or, you know, miles talking with his dad after fighting with the spot and just like, hey, how's your son? And kind of that straddling. That line is like how do I tell him that I'm Spider-Man And how do I, you know, connect with my dad while also trying to be a hero at the same time? But yeah, there's just like a lot of elements that are enjoyable And I can't wait for her.
Speaker 3:Dude, we get to talk about so much from this movie, Like we get to talk about it, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, From the voice acting alone, Oscar Isaacs. I think if there was like an Academy Award for voice acting like you, I felt it in my seat when he's just like you know, holding Miles down, He's just like you don't belong here, You're a mistake, And he's just like, oh my God, just like to shatter a little kid's world like that, Like, oh, you're the cause of all this multiversal problems And just like you know, I'm going to fix you.
Speaker 2:I'm going to fix the problem, as you and him being like so kind of rigid in his stance of just like, yeah, we can't divert from canon. I think whatever notes or whatever kind of presence that Oscar Isaacs is trying to convey, he conveys it in spades and all that. He's such a good voice actor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like. Another thing is just like this again going back to just the storytelling aspect of it, having that kind of explaining the multiverse right through, like with all this Spider-Man, different Spider-Man in the universe, and just having that, hey, we have to have our Uncle Ben moment, or this universe goes. It was kind of like man really. Like I understood it, it was just so I wouldn't say heartbreaking. It was just kind of like man, yeah, like you have to have it or you're not. Spider-man, yeah, it was just like it takes such a like you know the origin story right. It just kind of adds another layer to it. Everyone's affected, like not only just Peter Parker, not only just Miles, but all these Spider-Man have to go through a certain path to get to who they are going to become, and I just feel like that was just, it was very well conveyed And just a lot of this stuff was super digestible. Like this movie, you know, for hardcore fans is probably like just especially Spider-Man fans are just like man. This is it. I don't know if anything else could top this. I don't know if any other live action Spider-Man could like top what I just saw. You know, and I mean we had that with No Way Home too. Like No Way Home was kind of in that same vein of with the multiverse, but it's just like just how the mainstream audiences is reacting to it. It's super digestible. A lot of stuff is like easy to follow with all that stuff that's being thrown at you throughout the movie two hours and 30 minutes and just nonstop. Just you know different points And it's all just coming together at the end and they put a perfect bow on it. Going towards the next movie, i was just like man, you know that's why people are critical about movies these days Like it's just like you can make something like this into reality and it just be like awesome And you know. And then there's movies that we become critical of because they don't take that necessary care, especially to superhero movies, superhero characters, when they deserve a lot. You know they deserve a lot better. But yeah, like I guess wrapping up, we'll wrap up across Spider-Verse because we can talk about this forever.
Speaker 1:But what's one thing you guys expect from Beyond the Spider-Verse? Like what is there do you want? like, because we got teased a little bit towards at the end? right, we got the pretty much the OG team from the first movie is back and they're going to help Gwen. Go try to find Miles. Is there? do you have an ex like? do you have an expectation, do you want to see? is there something that you want to see in the movie that you're like all right, this needs to be in the movie. I'll start with you. Neil, do you have any expectation?
Speaker 3:Not really expectation, just because I'm going to keep it very minimal, because that's how I kind of came into this movie. Now, knowing how they did this movie, i feel like I don't even care what the concept's going to be. Of course there's going to be some multiverse talk, but expectation-wise, as far as like plot, i feel like we're still going to be shocking some things, maybe characters I would like to expect. I feel like if they just do what they're doing now, and even if you add new characters or not, i feel like it's still going to be good. I think where it's at right now, whether they add or don't show too much screenshot for other characters, i feel like it's still going to be a good movie.
Speaker 3:Well, i will say it was nice to get archival footage of Garfield and McGuire, their Spider-Man, and obviously we got to mention that Michael Harris, like all right, don't eff it up like how Dr Strange and the Little Nerd from the MCU did it. So it would be nice to see some sort of nod to them again. I don't care if they're going to be actually in the movie or if they're going to be more archival footage, i think just throwing more nods to the live action stuff, just because we also grew up on that. Whether people liked it or not, it's good to acknowledge. So we'd have to see something like that again. But as far as the expectation, like I don't really have any hardcore, concrete ones, just like man, i'll just go with whatever. Yeah, yeah true, true.
Speaker 1:How would you RC any expectation for Beyond the Spider-Verse?
Speaker 2:It's going to be like I said it's going to be a hard bar to clear. I think the director's already confirmed that there's going to be multiple Gwen Stacy's Oh wow. So I think we're going to explore much more of Gwen's background And it's going to be interesting to see that interaction. If they go to a Gwen Stacy that's meant to die, and how do you say to Gwen Stacy in the multiverse like hey, you're going to die and your death is going to propel one of the greatest heroes of our generation.
Speaker 2:But in order to do that, you have to die. And what if, like, Spider-Gwen, comes in contact with that Gwen Stacy and like am I supposed to save you? Is it weird to have a version of myself die and all that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so that's maybe a question they can do. As for like cameos, i know they've introduced a prowler in you know, donald Glover's prowler in this movie. So you know he's tied indirectly to Spider-Man's universe. So I wouldn't be surprised if they're holding off on like a Tom Holland cameo. I mean he has to show up. He is like you can't just do that without like mentioning or at least showing archival footage of Tom Holland somehow. But if he were to, like you know, somehow make like a quick cameo, i'd be like dude, it's all connected. Yeah, yeah, for sure, yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 2:They they've, like I said, i feel like they've They've painted themselves into a corner with all these like issues they have to solve with Prowler Miles, with the spot with Miguel O'Hara of how are you gonna tie this neatly into the bow and, if they follow, what the ultimate comics storyline is. I don't know if you guys ever read Ultimate Spider-Man or at least a Miles Morales Spider-Man comics in the ultimate universe of like of you know, if they go a certain route and you kill, kill off a person, i'm like I don't know how they're gonna do that. That, if they do, if they do that and following whatever the comics did. That's gonna be like emotional trauma And that's gonna be like that's really gonna define to find Miles. I don't know if they're gonna do that for her. That's just a family movie in the end, but you can't just like kill off a bunch of people.
Speaker 2:But Yeah, it's, it's. It's interesting because it's like it's like you're in a toy box and you're just like, oh, what figures can I play with? interact with these words, like anything is possible in the multi-verse. And so I wouldn't be surprised if they went all like, yeah, yeah, i've never watched She-Hulk on the Disney Plus. Yeah, you know, when Jennifer Walters went all the way to like MCU headquarters and like I want to talk to Kevin Feige, and if they did that. And you're just like, oh, yeah, we can't fix this.
Speaker 2:So we're gonna just gonna like go straight to Lord, lord Miller and the writers and like, have Miles jump into like our world and talk to the writers like honey, hey, how are you guys gonna fix this and all that? So if they go super meta like that, i'll still watch it, but I'll be like dang you guys have to do this. You didn't have to do that, but yeah, it's just, i'm here for it, no matter what yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:It's crazy that the movies coming out next year.
Speaker 3:Like I think it is.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that would be like a year gap. It's insane. I was like usually we get part twos in like two years from that. Right Yeah they're, you said next year, and I'm like that's, i think they worked on These two parts in conjunction with each other, so it's not like okay, we're not.
Speaker 2:we're just gonna work on this movie and then Leave. if the, if this movie does well, we'll start working. I think they started working on part one at the same time, but Kaylee Steinfeld did say in an interview that she hasn't even recorded Her parts for the third movie yet, so I think there's no. She didn't realize it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wait is next year.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like there's a part two. What?
Speaker 1:yeah, but all right, man. Well, we'll put a bow on across spider-verse, one of the best movies, should it? should across spider-verse get an Oscar nom.
Speaker 3:Is this a topic of? Maverick of You know yeah, yeah, yeah, in my, in my opinion, i, i feel like it's, it's ready, like the bar set. You got to catch up to the bar now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is the avatar way of water, of Animation you just like you can't stop this drink.
Speaker 1:Yeah, if we can do Super Mario Brothers, and let's do, let's do across spider-verse, good.
Speaker 2:Yeah, i'm surprised that, like Super Mario get like earned a billion dollars and like this movie hasn't even crossed the billion dollar mark yet. No, it's been a month.
Speaker 1:Yeah, dude, nintendo fans showed up, yeah they showed up heavy.
Speaker 3:It doesn't matter if it's Chris Pratt or if it's like I don't know like I'll schwarzenegger. people are gonna still watch because it's Mario.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like it's a billion spider-man.
Speaker 1:It's like they got like the.
Speaker 2:PS PS 3 spider-man. They got the PS ones, the Tiger spider-man's, in there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, they got spider-horse, spider-spider-spider-spider car Gunslinger or web slinger. Yeah, for some reason, low key is one of my like favorite side.
Speaker 2:They still haven't shown the Japanese spider-man. He's got a easy. I think they're saving him.
Speaker 3:Oh my yeah, yeah, that's like a mega sword dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the part on oh lord Yeah.
Speaker 2:If he's gonna, if they're saving that for a third movie, and just like, yeah, good choice, good choice. And then, yeah, they got they. they showed spider-man noir. So they got to get in a cage back to voice Oh yeah, Oh yeah, I'm a cage Ready and that's the end of part one.
Speaker 1:We will be dropping the next episode very soon. We will be talking about the flash and And Transformers rise of the beast. So thank you guys for listening and we will see you all on the next episode. Peace out.